tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5134782302655515338.post2201636842528555099..comments2023-12-25T05:12:46.199+01:00Comments on ORA ET LABORA: Clockwise or Counter-clockwise?Felix Culpahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18062279686869827534noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5134782302655515338.post-82376013633055233362010-05-26T19:04:43.143+02:002010-05-26T19:04:43.143+02:00Orr,
I've always understood that it's sim...Orr,<br /><br />I've always understood that it's simply moving in the same direction as a sundial (in the northern hemisphere at least). But beyond that, I don't know anything further.<br /><br />I do know that a number of early Old Believers (I assume Avvakum is included in this group) spoke out against the change on the grounds that "going against the sun" (i.e., counterclockwise) was tantamount to going against Christ, the Sun of Righteousness. I've also heard a few pragmatic arguments for why clockwise is better, but I can't seem to recall them now.G Sanchezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11797757461858023882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5134782302655515338.post-52152496793530391402010-05-26T18:07:44.873+02:002010-05-26T18:07:44.873+02:00I know the Old Believers process clockwise and the...I know the Old Believers process clockwise and the Nikonian reforms following Greek practice process counterclockwise. "A history of Russia", Volume 3 by Vasiliĭ Osipovich Kliu͡c͡hevskiĭ, C. J. Hogarth refers to "the passage according to the sun" as meaning "from left to right according as the altar is faced". But, again, no explanation is given as to how the two are related.123https://www.blogger.com/profile/14514075641944568806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5134782302655515338.post-18298832960244614672010-05-26T17:48:30.754+02:002010-05-26T17:48:30.754+02:00My guess has been that it refers to the fact that ...My guess has been that it refers to the fact that the sun moves east to west along a line that tilts south, i.e., it isn't a straight line up and over from east to west. In the winter the path of the sun is lower towards the south and it is closer to the straight overhead line in summer. If we are in church facing east, then processing counterclockwise around the altar is moving in opposition to the curve the sun is following from the east (ahead) towards our right (south) ending in the west (behind).123https://www.blogger.com/profile/14514075641944568806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5134782302655515338.post-14803159144772746032010-05-26T17:40:16.005+02:002010-05-26T17:40:16.005+02:00I have to admit that I'm equally clueless. I g...I have to admit that I'm equally clueless. I generally assume my readers are smarter than I!<br /><br />Help, anyone?Felix Culpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18062279686869827534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5134782302655515338.post-26443231459249401772010-05-26T15:21:37.587+02:002010-05-26T15:21:37.587+02:00Could you explain this to me? I've never unde...Could you explain this to me? I've never understood what was meant by references to the sun when discussing whether processions go clockwise or counterclockwise, e.g., the Old Believer schism. I'm sure I'm dense, but I've never understood the sun reference. Perhaps it's clear to someone that hasn't lived their entire life in a city rather than on a farm.123https://www.blogger.com/profile/14514075641944568806noreply@blogger.com